Thursday, October 11, 2012

'Runs Great' Not Part Of Vehicle Description In State Auction ? CBS ...

DAVIS (CBS13) ? Hundreds of vehicles cut from the state?s budget were on the auction block Wednesday, but they weren?t exactly flying off the lot.

Gov. Jerry Brown ordered 7,000 vehicles to be eliminated back in August, but Wednesday?s auction at the state?s Davis facility featured vehicles that needed to be towed away.

More than 400 state-owned vehicles ? having sat idle for months ? were ready to be washed up, gassed up and towed off the lot for a new lease on life.

?The most important thing is that we are getting rid of things that are just wasteful,? said the Department of General Service?s Eric Lamourdux. ?We were operating on a bloated fleet.?

Pete and Stella Silguero were looking for a good deal on a car for their daughter but didn?t realize the cars weren?t operational.

?They don?t run at all?? Pete asked.

At this auction all vehicles are considered ?non-runners,? meaning you have to tow them off the lot.

?Is it still a good deal?? Pete was asked.

?It depends what it goes for,? he said.

The Brown administration deemed several thousand vehicles non-essential. Cutting them out of the budget, they hope to save the state more than $12 million.

?I was just looking for something that ran, a cheap vehicle,? shopper Tom Jarvis said.

Others, too, seemed to hit the brakes on their shopping after hearing the news that the cars all needed some work.

?Why tow some junk to my house? I don?t need that,? Bill Tucker said.

But for those who knew what to look for, there were definitely some diamonds in the rough.

?I?ve been coming here for a while so I know what to look for,? Bill Vaughn said.

His tips? ?I don?t want to give those up,? he said.

Source: http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/10/10/runs-great-not-part-of-this-state-vehicle-auction/

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ViewSonic's TD2220 two-point touch monitor gets priced at $330, will ship to coincide with Windows 8

ViewSonics new TD2220 twopoint touch monitor get a price and a ship date to coincide with Windows 8

While we had expected ViewSonic's TD2220 to arrive earlier this year, we'll forgive its lackadaisical timekeeping just this once. The two-point touch, 1,920 x 1,080 LED display arrives in North and Latin America in the third week of October -- around the same time as the similarly digit-friendly Windows 8. When it does, it'll reduce the contents of your bank balance by $330, but that's a small price to pay for the privilege of confusing onlookers unused to seeing such technology in action.

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Wednesday, October 10, 2012

2012 ING Run Is Helping To Fight Against US Childhood Obesity

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ING U.S., a leading provider of international financial services, is helping American teachers combat childhood obesity through its social innovation ?2012 ING Run for Something Better School Awards?? in partnership with the National Association for Sport and Physical Education (NAPSE). Together, these two organisations are awarding grants to help thousands of children discover a love for running and for creating a healthier lifestyle. Fifty schools from 27 states across the U.S. will receive up to $2,500 in grant money to support an existing school-based running program or start a new one. The grants will help schools introduce students from kindergarten through to eighth grade to the benefits of running and making physical activity a top priority.

Research shows that running is a great physical activity for promoting good health and self-confidence. It qualifies as a ?life sport?, one where participants are likely to maintain over their life time. Running as a form of exercise helps to build strong bones, muscles, contributes to fitness and to personal goal-setting. Additionally, recent piece of social innovation research has shown students who are healthy and physically active are more likely to be motivated, attentive and successful academically.

The 2012 ING Run for Something Better School Awards will support an eight-week school-based running program that concludes with a running event in celebration of the students? achievements. This social innovation award of $1,000 is given immediately, with additional funds awarded based on the participation in the program. Schools can download unique running lesson plans developed by NASPE to help them. Rhonda Mims, President of the ING Foundation and head of the ING U.S. Office of Corporate Responsibility says, ?Childhood obesity is an important social issue. We realise schools need additional resources to help fully engage their students in enjoying and leading healthy lifestyles. We are empowering children across the nation to take charge of their health.?

More than 300 schools applied for the 2012 grants; a NASPE review board made up of physical education teachers and administrators reviewed all applications and selected this year?s recipients. In 2011 more than 4,500 students ran a total of 136,754 miles, which is equivalent to running almost 53 times across the U.S.! The ING Run for Something Better grant is helping children achieve the minimum of 60 minutes of physical activity they need a day.

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Polaris rover will travel to the Moon in search of polar resources, try to survive the long lunar night

Polaris rover will travel to the Moon in search of polar resources, try to survive the long lunar night

The Polaris rover may look a little punk rock, but that mohawk is no fashion statement. It's for catching solar rays which shine almost horizontally at the Moon's north pole, a location Polaris is due to explore before 2016. Built by Astrobotic Technology, it'll be ferried aboard the SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket to our celestial companion, where it'll drill into the surface in search of ice. The company, spun out of the Carnegie Mellon University, hopes to identify resources at a depth of up to four feet that could be used to support manned Moon expeditions in the future. The plan is to complete the mission during a 10-day window of sunlight, digging at up to 100 sites over a three-mile stretch. However, if it can live through the harsh two-week-long nights, then it may continue to operate "indefinitely." NASA is backing the project, providing ice-prospecting gear and money, although Astrobotic hopes to get more cash for its work -- over $20 million from Google's Lunar X Prize. Right now, Polaris is a flight prototype and there are still improvements to be made, mainly on the software side, before it tackles the rough terrain. Check out the short video of its public unveiling below, although we don't think the soundtrack quite matches the hairdo.

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Syria Turkey Conflict: Turkish Military Retaliates To Syrian Shelling

BEIRUT ? Syria's cross-border attacks on Turkey in the past week look increasingly like they could be an intentional escalation meant to send a clear message to Ankara and beyond, that the crisis is simply too explosive to risk foreign military intervention.

With Turkey eager to defuse the crisis, the spillover of fighting is giving new life to a longshot political solution, with the Turks floating the idea of making President Bashar Assad's longtime vice president, Farouk al-Sharaa, interim leader if the president steps aside.

A military option ? which would involve foreign powers that already have expressed a deep reluctance to getting involved in the crisis ? is still not on the table, analysts say, despite six consecutive days of Turkish retaliation against bombardment from inside Syria.

"Syria is aware that Turkey cannot go a step further," said Ali Tekin, assistant professor of International Relations at Ankara's Bilkent University. "The Turkish people don't want a war and there are no vital national interests at stake to warrant a war. Syria sees this."

The Syrian conflict has taken a prominent role in the U.S. presidential election at a time when the U.S. and its allies have shown little appetite for getting involved.

On Monday, Republican candidate Mitt Romney said the U.S. should work with other countries to arm the Syrian rebels, allowing the rebels to drive Assad from power themselves. Romney did not call for the U.S. to directly arm the Syrian rebels.

The most recent flare-up between Syria and Turkey started Wednesday, when a shell fired from Syria slammed into a house in the Turkish border village of Akcakale, killing two women and three children. That set off the most serious and prolonged eruption of violence along the frontier since the uprising began nearly 19 months ago.

Although it was not clear whether Wednesday's shelling was intentional, Turkey responded swiftly by firing back and convening parliament for a vote that authorized further cross-border military operations if necessary.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan cautioned Damascus not to test Turkey's "limits and determination." But the Syrian shelling has continued every day ? leading many observers to conclude the acts are intentional provocation.

"It's not an accident. You can't send shells across the border by mistake five days in a row," said Mustafa Alani, a Middle East analyst of the Geneva-based Gulf Research Center, just hours before Syrian shelling struck Turkey for a sixth day.

There have been no other reports of casualties from the shelling since Wednesday's deaths.

An activist group said Monday the number of people killed in the conflict crossed the threshold of 32,000 over the weekend, and the pace is accelerating.

The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said it counted 32,079 dead as of Sunday ? among them 22,980 civilians and civilians-turned fighters, 7,884 members of the Syrian military and 1,215 army defectors fighting alongside the rebels.

In the past week alone, more than 1,200 people were killed, according to the head of the Observatory, Rami Abdul-Rahman, who said he only counts named victims or those whose death is verified by other means, such as amateur video.

Also Monday, a suicide attacker detonated a car bomb near a compound of the Syrian intelligence service on the outskirts of Damascus, a Syrian official said. There was no immediate word on casualties, the official said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

The pro-government Al-Ikhbariya channel said the explosion in the Harasta suburb was followed by armed clashes. Syrian rebels are increasingly targeting security compounds in Damascus, but there was no immediate claim of responsibility for Monday's blast.

According to Alani, the analyst, escalating the crisis serves as a reminder to NATO, Turkey and the West that Syria's civil war can inflame the region with lightning speed. The threat of a spillover is likely to pressure Western powers into drafting a political solution, part of which could involve Assad's exit from power, rather than his being toppled by force.

A political solution, Alani said, could prevent Assad "ending up like Gadhafi."

Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi was captured and killed by rebels on the outskirts of his hometown of Sirte last year, and his corpse was put on public display in a refrigerated locker for several days.

While Ankara maintains that the shells are coming from the regular Syrian army, Paul Salem of the Carnegie Middle East Center, a Beirut-based think tank, did not exclude the possibility of "other sources, a rebel unit, firing across the border, trying to create conditions for Turkey to intervene in Syria."

As the border skirmishes intensified over the weekend and the world began to consider whether Turkey would respond more forcefully, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu tried to redirect attention away from the military developments.

On Saturday, Davutoglu said Syrian Vice President Farouk al-Sharaa was a figure "whose hands are not contaminated in blood" and therefore was a possible figure to head a transitional administration.

Abdulbaset Sieda, the head of the Syrian National Council, the main opposition group in exile, said Monday his group is willing to consider Ankara's proposal.

Sieda's comments appear to be a softening of the opposition's stance that it will accept nothing less than the ouster of the Assad regime and the president's inner circle. But this apparent change in heart could be a way for the opposition to appease its Turkish allies rather than a major shift toward a political settlement of the conflict.

Syrian Information Minister Omran al-Zoubi scoffed at Davutoglu's proposal, saying it reflects "obvious political and diplomatic confusion and blundering."

"Turkey isn't the Ottoman Sultanate; the Turkish Foreign Ministry doesn't name custodians in Damascus, Mecca, Cairo and Jerusalem," al-Zoubi said Monday.

Turkey, which shares a 566-mile (911-kilometer) frontier with Syria, nearly went to war with its neighbor over Syrian support for Turkish Kurdish rebels in the 1990s. The relationship improved dramatically since Assad came to power in 2000, and the two countries reached out to build economic ties. But now, Turkey has become one of the most vocal critics of the Assad regime, accusing it of savagery.

The rebels who are trying to bring down Assad have used Turkey as their base, enraging the regime.

Turkey, NATO's biggest Muslim member, became a regional power in the past decade, backed by a growing economy, emerging democratic credentials and historical and cultural links to neighbors. It pursued pragmatic links with authoritarian leaders, but shifted to a pro-democracy position as uprisings swept the Middle East and North Africa.

From the outset of the Syrian crisis, Turkey has tried to position itself as a major player and power-broker ? something some observers say was a miscalculation based on overconfidence in Ankara's influence over Damascus. As recently as April, Davutoglu told Parliament that Turkey "will continue to guide the wave of change in the Middle East."

On Monday, Turkish President Abdullah Gul pushed for a Syrian transition, warning that "the worst-case scenario we have all been dreading" is unfolding in Syria and along its borders.

"Sooner rather than later there will be change, a transition," he told reporters in Ankara. "Our only hope is that this happens before more blood is shed, and before Syria self-destructs more than it already has."

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AP writers Barbara Surk and Bassem Mroue in Beirut, Albert Aji in Damascus and Suzan Fraser in Ankara, Turkey, contributed to this report.

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Monday, October 8, 2012

Brane Space: Is There Sex After Prostate Cancer Treatment? Good ...

Perhaps the more apt question, given we KNOW the sex has to be different,?is: What is the quality of sex after prostate cancer treatment? And to answer this question presumes not only knowing which treatment modality we are talking about, but the manner in which delivered. For example, if radical prostatectomy, then was it delivered via ?robot? as in?the da?Vinci procedure, or via the hands of a skilled surgeon. (Typical books, and medical sites like Hopkins suggest the robotic surgeon ought to have at least 1,000 under his belt for a decent outcome).

If radiation, then what form: external beam or HDR (high dose rate) brachytherapy ? where the source is directed inside the?gland (such as I had done ? see my blog on it ?The Longest Day and Then Some?). If HDR Brachy, then where was it done, at which site?Do they specialize in it (like UCSF's Helen Diller Cancer Center) or is it one of many modalities they offer but for which prostate cancer treatment?is no more focused on than say, breast cancer. All these matter. But given the lack of specifics let?s?employ a more overarching addressing of the question.

Let?s understand first?that testosterone presence is critical for prostate cell growth and function.Thus, these cells and their function are sensitive to the presence or absence of testosterone. Since prostate cancer cells are derived from the prostate gland it ought to come as no surprise that they?re also dependent on testosterone for survival. Cancer cells proliferate when testosterone is present and shrivel up and die in a mass cellular suicide called apoptosis when absent. Removing the whole gland can effect this, and also dosing it with high levels of radiation ?.or having the cancer patient take large amounts of female hormones. (TIP treatment)

Cut the gland out and you also cut out the basis for testosterone production associated with semen production. Dose it with radiation and you ?fry? the prostate cells and cancer cells and reach basically the same result. Ingest enough female hormones and ditto.? The issue for most guys who choose a treatment then, is twofold: 1) get rid of the unwanted cancer cells or growth, and 2) Preserve some semblance of sexual function. Obviously if the whole gland is removed and ancillary erectile tissue ? say in a radical prostatectomy, then?achieving (2) ?will be more difficult. It?s also one reason many guys on radical prostatectomy and de Vinci procedure net forums often complain about not?having been?fully informed of the loss of sexual function and the extreme lengths they must go to in order to recover it. As one guy put it on one forum after reading how another member complained about priapism after taking too large a dose of Viagra to stay hard ?.?Well, there are some guys who can?t even dredge up enough desire to even want sex if we have to go to those lengths.?

The concerns are less for radiation therapy such as the HDR brachytherapy (single treatment) ?I had, since the basic organs, gland and tissues remain in situ. The entire pelvic floor isn?t re-adjusted as it is for radical prostate surgery or da Vinci surgery. Still, treatment modes vary and so does the competence of those who deliver them. As my wife put it, even putting the prostate template in place ? suturing it to the perineum- can vary significantly from one treatment site to the next. One small error in the template placement means the indexers will not deliver the dose to the correct locations. That can be catastrophic. The dose delivered is also critical ? too much and you can preserve function, too little and it?s literally gone, maybe for a long time. Maybe permanently.

As for surgery, another risk which isn?t much mentioned (but ought to be according to the men on the surgery forums, some of whom have threatened ?legal action? against their urologists for not giving them the full lowdown) is penile shrinkage. Dr. John Mulhall, in his book, Sexual Function in the Prostate Cancer Patient, notes an average of ?? shrinkage after radical prostatectomy - no matter how done. Overcoming this often demands an aggressive regimen including: Viagra, vacuum pumps and injected prostaglandins. But as Dr. Mulhall notes, to be effective the therapy needs to be started almost right after the operation. Trouble is most men are in no mood after having to have Foley catheters inserted in their urethras?for days or weeks, not to mention a good deal of post-op pain and possible complications (i.e. need for a pelvic drain in case of abdominal infection after da Vinci robotic surgery)

In terms of HDR monotherapy (brachytherapy) effects, the St. Joseph Prostate Cancer Center notes (in terms of HDR brachytherapy ? such as I had):

?Erectile dysfunction (ED) is often difficult to quantify; however, men who do not have ED prior to HDRB most often maintain sexual function after HDRB. Men with ED prior to HDRB will likely continue to have ED after the treatment as HDRB is not a treatment for ED?

Other than this it?s hard to gain a handle. The UCSF Patient Guide for Sexual Rehabilitation?? in terms of post HDR monotherapy sexual indicators- notes that the initial ejaculations will be either bloody (laced with black blood, or old blood), ?thick? and off color, or non-existent. Up to now I?ve no idea but suspect likely bloody ejaculate if there was anything. Just a guess. Obviously, from my point of view, any remote consideration of even attempting ejaculation is out of the question so long as urinating delivers a burning sensation! (So try to imagine what forcible expulsion of prostate contents would do!)

One site run by an RN who also offers massage therapy and other post-op aids, notes serious difficulties following just about any kind of prostate cancer treatment and observes even healthy males post-op will likely have much difficulty gaining and sustaining erection. She actually recommends males in this predicament just agree to use ?mutual masturbation? with their wives (assuming they're willing)?as a solution though she acknowledges some patients ? out of religious inhibitions or proscriptions- might have problems with that.

The UCSF Guide includes a section on ?solutions? to any sexual dysfunction, which range from using a ?penile implant? (i.e. an inflatable device surgically implanted into the penis) to the use of a suction device or ?penis pump?. Neither of these will likely be very appealing to most guys, so they also include use of Levitra or Cialis but at higher doses than what would ordinarily take - say for ordinary ED. (This may be why the guy cited earlier on the radical prostate surgery forum complained of priapism, which is a painful erection lasting 4 or more hours.)

Another aspect not much discussed is that of ?dry orgasm? or retrograde ejaculation. This is normally associated with a prostatectomy but can also occur after radiation therapy. In the former case tissues associated with the muscle that normally blocks off the entrance to the bladder have been removed. In the normal case prior to the surgery, contracting muscles always?force the semen unidirectionally through the penis outwards.

After the surgery, with the loss of muscle tension and control, this is no longer possible, plus the bladder neck is frequently enlarged after surgery so that it cannot close completely. Hence when the muscles associated with the urethra contract the semen is ejaculated backward through the open internal sphincter and into the bladder. This is later flushed out in the urine.

IN the case of radiation treatment, the dry orgasm is of different physiological origin since the sphincter muscles are not affected. In this case, since the whole volume of the prostate has been irradiated. My wife actually corrected me on that, as I?d earlier believed it to be a more directional treatment. Her point was that the IPSA software?contour solutions provide a?3D "tunnel" around the urethra and rectum to protect them from the maximum delivered doses.??The point is that ?the cells that produce prostatic fluid (the milky stuff that mixes with sperm to produce semen) are basically killed off with the affected prostate cells.?Since the seminal vesicles also receive a dose of radiation (perhaps up to 10 Gray in my case or 1000 cGy)?any sperm cells?produced?are also killed off.

In other words, after the last 'old blood' is ejaculated there?s really nothing left: all or most of the sperm cells are ?cooked away? as well as the cells that generate prostatic fluid (this of course is also why one expects PSA to fall). Given there?s basically nothing left ?in the tank? then there?s nothing to ejaculate. You get the sensation (at least part of it)?of doing so, but nothing is being expelled.

No, I?ve not experienced any of this yet because I haven?t attempted anything! However, it falls within the bounds of what a former Nucletron Corp. radiotherapy consultant told me before I received my own treatment (he also went to UCSF for early HDR brachy), but at that time they were still delivering the dose in two treatments. Only in the last 5-6 months have they adopted the one time HDR treatment based on a study done by Dr. Alvaro Martinez at William Beaumont Hospital-Center which showed that the results for a single treatment were good, with low toxicity. So UCSF changed over to that regime.

Here?s the skinny: While many may insist that men make too big a deal out of post-treatment sex activity and add ?You ought to be glad you?re just alive!? the truth is more complex, and the self-identity of most of us is bound up with our ability to sexually perform. Erase that, and you erase a lot of self-worth, though true ?not all and not necessarily the most crucial aspects. But from reading many of the prostate cancer blogs and forums, and the degree of depression and anger in many men (especially a LOT of younger guys in mid to late 30s and early 40s, whose wives left them because of their difficulties in performing post-treatment) it is still no small deal. And little wonder 90% of these depressed guys had the radical?prostatectomy and were neither informed fully of the side effects in terms of prolonged incontinence or concerning the loss of erectile ability and sexual function in 75% of cases. This may be one reason most weren?t?merely depressed but bloody angry to the extent of threatening legal action against urologists.

It seems that not only do we have lots of work to do in getting information ? full information ? to men facing prostate cancer and treatment options ? but we also need the urologists, oncologists to deliver the flat out truth instead of wishful thinking fantasies ? as per?their patients' expected post-op sex lives!

Source: http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2012/10/is-there-sex-after-prostate-cancer.html

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Union: Border agents opened fire on each other

FILE - This undated photo provided by U.S. Customs and Border Protection shows slain Border Patrol agent Nicolas Ivie. The fatal shooting of Ivie and the wounding another U.S. Border Patrol agent near the Arizona-Mexico border may have been a case of friendly fire, a union chief for border agents and law enforcement officials said Friday, Oct. 5, 2012. (AP Photo/U.S. Customs and Border Protection, File)

FILE - This undated photo provided by U.S. Customs and Border Protection shows slain Border Patrol agent Nicolas Ivie. The fatal shooting of Ivie and the wounding another U.S. Border Patrol agent near the Arizona-Mexico border may have been a case of friendly fire, a union chief for border agents and law enforcement officials said Friday, Oct. 5, 2012. (AP Photo/U.S. Customs and Border Protection, File)

In this undated photo provided by the Ivie family, Border Patrol Agent Nicholas Ivie is seen. Ivie, a 30-year-old father of two, was shot and killed in the sparsely populated desert in southeastern Arizona early Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012. (AP Photo/Ivie Family, Cole Kynaston)

(AP) ? The head of the U.S. Border Patrol agents' union says the agent killed last week in a shooting in southern Arizona apparently opened fire on two colleagues thinking they were armed smugglers and was killed when they returned fire.

The two sets of agents approached an area where a sensor had been activated early Tuesday from different directions and encountered each other in an area of heavy brush, National Border Patrol Council president George McCubbin said.

Agent Nicholas Ivie apparently opened fire first and wounded one of the other agents but was killed in the return fire.

"I don't know what it was he saw or heard that triggered this whole event," McCubbin said. "Unfortunately it resulted in his death and another agent injured."

Acting Cochise County Sheriff Rod Rothrock confirmed the scenario but would not say if Ivie was the first to shoot, saying that was up to the federal agencies involved.

The new details add to a FBI statement Friday that the shooting appeared to be a friendly fire incident that involved no one but the agents.

Sensors are set up in different areas along the U.S.-Mexico border to detect smugglers or illegal immigrants, with Border Patrol agents responding when they're set off. The shooting occurred in a rugged hilly area about five miles north of the border near Bisbee, Ariz., an area known for illegal trafficking.

McCubbin and Rothrock both said the two sets of agents knew the others were heading to the area on foot but apparently didn't know they were so close. McCubbin said he'd been briefed by the agency, while Rothrock's agency has been involved with the investigation.

"It was dark, very, very rugged terrain, and what they could see of each other was further obscured by the fact that there was brush and cacti and stuff like that between them," Rothrock said. "I have no doubt that these agents were in as heightened a state of alert as you can get due to the proximity to the border and the history of trafficking in that area."

Rothrock said that when the agents spotted each other in the dark, "they apparently took defensive postures, which was probably interpreted as aggressive postures. Like readying your weapons, for example."

Ivie, 30, died at the scene, and one of the other agents was wounded but has since been released from the hospital.

In the immediate aftermath of the shooting, the Border Patrol and other federal and local agencies flooded the area with personnel looking for who they believed were assailants who had attacked the agents.

"That was the initial reports from the beginning," McCubbin said. "That was the reason for the saturation manhunt there. They even had permission to fly into Mexico. They were seeking people out. What this was based on, we'd have to assume it was based on the initial statements given by the agents on the scene."

Two people suspected of being involved in the shooting were arrested by the Mexican government but were apparently not involved at all.

"They had a couple of people in custody but other than being in the area, there was no evidence putting them there at the scene," McCubbin said. "They could have been guides, they could have been scouts, and those type of folks typically go back and forth all the time anyway."

Rothrock said he believed the agents' actions were "appropriate and in accordance with their training had they, in fact, been engaging people involved in illegal activities. Unfortunately, they weren't engaging people involved in illegal activities, they were engaging each other."

Rothrock said he doubted any legal action will be taken against the surviving agents.

Ivie's funeral is set for Monday morning Sierra Vista, Ariz..

"It's happened and it's a horrible tragedy for the agents involved and their families and the agency," McCubbin said. "We can come up with some reasons as to how this happened but that doesn't fix anything. All we can do is send prayers to the families and all the agents involved that somehow they can find some peace with this someday."

Ivie's death marked the first fatal shooting of an agent since a deadly 2010 firefight with Mexican gunmen that killed U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in December 2010 and spawned congressional probes of a botched government gun-smuggling investigation.

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